Etymology of the Day

From Online Etymology Dictionary:

pie (1) “pastry,” c.1300, from M.L. pie “meat or fish enclosed in pastry,” perhaps related to M.L. pia “pie, pastry,” also possibly connected with pica “magpie” (see pie (2)) on notion of the bird’s habit of collecting miscellaneous objects. Not known outside English, except Gaelic pighe, which is from English. In the Middle Ages, a pie had many ingredients, a pastry but one. Fruit pies began to appear c.1600. Figurative sense of “something easy” is from 1889. Pie-eyed “drunk” is from 1904. Phrase pie in the sky is 1911, from Joe Hill’s Wobbly parody of hymns. Pieman is not attested earlier than the nursery rhyme “Simple Simon” (c.1820). Pie chart is from 1922.

pie (2) “magpie,” mid-13c., from O.Fr. pie (13c.), from L. pica “magpie,” related to picus “woodpecker,” Umbrian peica “the magpie,” Skt. pikah “Indian cuckoo,” O.N. spætr, Ger. Specht “woodpecker” (see magpie).

magpie c.1600, common European bird, known for its chattering, earlier simply pie; first element from Mag, nickname for Margaret, long used in proverbial and slang English for qualities associated generally with women, especially in this case “idle chattering” (cf. Magge tales “tall tales, nonsense,” early 15c.; also Fr. margot “magpie,” from Margot, pet form of Marguerite). Second element, pie, is the earlier name of the bird, from O.Fr. pie, from L. pica “magpie,” fem. of picus “woodpecker,” possibly from PIE base *pi-, denoting pointedness, of the beak, perhaps, but the magpie also has a long, pointed tail. The birds are proverbial for pilfering and hoarding, can be taught to speak, and have been regarded since the Middle Ages as a bird of ill omen.

Whan pyes chatter vpon a house it is a sygne of ryghte euyll tydynges. [1507]

Divination by number of magpies is attested from c.1780 in Lincolnshire; the rhyme varies from place to place, the only consistency being that one is bad, two are good.

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